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I used to think that Hooke's law was a relationship between how much a bar under uniaxial loading deformed and the internal force (per unit area) that developed within that bar. But this clearly isn't the case as I have recently seen that Hooke's law is used in analyzing the stress in pure bending of beams. So it seems that Hooke's law is a lot more general than I had thought.

If Hooke's law isn't specifically defined for a bar under uniaxial loading, what physical object is it exactly defined for? What system/object is Hooke's law trying to describe?

My guess is that Hooke's law is defined for an infinitesimal cubic element which feels a normal stress on its sides from neighboring elements (picture below). That is, Hooke's law relates the normal stress and normal strain on an infinitesimal cubic element. This might make Hooke's law general enough so that it could be applied to many loading situations since we can think of any object as being made of many of these infinitesimal elements and the total strain of the object is the sum of the strains of all of the elements. Is this correct? I'd appreciate it if someone could clear this up for me.

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Fred
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  • You don't sound far off to me. In bending, the elements at the top are in hookean tension, and at the bottom they're in compression. But each infinitesimal element is normally loaded – Jonathan R Swift Jan 10 '21 at 07:56

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TL;DR: Hooke's Law refers to structures in general.

Hooke's law generally refers to following equation

$$F = - k x$$

In this (original) form there was no reference to stresses. Later, I suspect in order to honor Hooke's contribution you might see formulations such as the following.

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In order to make things more clear a bit of history might be in order. Hooke was a very intelligent person, that was more inclined to solve practical problems (in many respects he was the archetype of an engineer).


(sidenote: That practicality -amongst other things (see dispute on contribution)- put him at odds with his contemporary Sir Isaac Newton. Newton, -as I understand it- had the view of a scientist. That things needed to be understood, and not explained. Also, according to some scholars Hooke and Isaac Newton disputed over credit for certain breakthroughs in physical science, including gravitation, astronomy, and optics. After Hooke's death, Newton questioned his legacy. And as the Royal Society's president, Newton allegedly destroyed or failed to preserve the only known portrait of Hooke. In the 20th century, researchers Robert Gunther and Margaret 'Espinasse revived Hooke's legacy, establishing Hooke among the most influential scientists of his time. see wikipedia on Robert Hooke).


Hookes experiment involved experimenting of combinations of different weights on a structure (he used different materials and shapes). What he discovered was that there was (most of the time) a linear relationship between Force and displacement of the structure. If I am not mistaken his experiments at the time were driven by his work to create a spring loaded lamp that was used in London up to almost 1900's (for almost 200 years). Hooke didn't bother to investigate further (Galileo also did similar work and failed to investigate deeper). In was approximately 100 years later that Augustin-Louis Cauchy first talked about what we know and understand today of stress, thus giving a way of decoupling geometry (A,L,I) and material properties (E,v,G).

So, bottomline, the idea behind Hooke's Law is very generic. It can be applied to most structures.

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Hookie's Law defines the linear elastic relationship of material within the elastic range in the stress-strain curve.

$F = kx$

$k = EA/L$, so

$F = EA(x/L) = EA\epsilon$, and $F/A = \delta$, so

$\delta = E\epsilon$

Now we can generalize the "Hooke's Law" to cover the stress ($\pm\delta$), on an element of "homogeneous isotropic" material, resulting from any types of loading that produces a strain ($\epsilon$) in direct proportion to the intensity of the stress (linear), and the strain is recoverable upon unloading (elastic behavior) in the elastic range.

Therefore, "Hooke's Law" holds for any material, posses homogeneous and isotropic properties, under any types of loadings or load combinations, that behave in a linear elastic manner.

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The flaw in your thinking is "My guess is that Hooke's law is defined for an infinitesimal cubic element....". In fact, regardless of "size", a material/element exhibits linear stress-strain behavior (linear proportionality of stress and deformation) upon any type of loadings with the stressed plane remains plane, and upon unloading, it returns back to its original shape, is said it is a linear elastic material the Hooke's Law defined for.

ADD (11/2) - Influence of Staged Loadings with Consideration of Stiffness Variations (For Discussion Only)

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  • Since you have derived the general Stress-Strain relation from the Hooke's Law (which relates the force to displacement with a constant of proprtionality i.e. stiffness or K), so should this general Stress-Strain relation should also hold if I am considering a change in stiffness of the structure during deformation of it? [For instance, a fishing rod which encounters a change in its stiffness when it deforms]. – Rameez Ul Haq Nov 01 '21 at 20:06
  • No. I think we have discussed in another post of yours that for "large displacement", Hookie's Law does not apply. – r13 Nov 01 '21 at 20:23
  • I have mentioned Large Deformation in quite a few posts of mine, so I am not sure which one you are referring to. But if the Hooke's Law (and if you mean the general linear stress-strain relation) doesn't apply to the large deformation structures, then how are we supposed to compute the stresses from strains? I mean strains can be calculated simply from the displacements of the structure (which in turn depends on the stiffness which keeps on changing during the deformation), but the only known relation to compute stress is from Hooke's law. I don't see any other option here. – Rameez Ul Haq Nov 01 '21 at 20:37
  • And the generalized Hooke's law which uses strains and computes the stresses, only depends on the Elastic Modulus (which is a constant) and Poisson's ratio (which also is a constant). So using this generalized linear Hooke's law to compute the stresses from known strains (since displacements are known), confuses me because this Hooke's Law relation doesn't seem to have any changing term within it (like E and v). But it somehow is derived from the F=Kx relation, where stiffness(k) is be changing during deformation. – Rameez Ul Haq Nov 01 '21 at 20:41
  • It might be totally different story if we not using the (generalized) Hooke's law to compute the stresses from strains, but I think we are. Especially in FEM. – Rameez Ul Haq Nov 01 '21 at 20:42
  • I don't think this discussion will be productive. No matter what type of analysis you are performing, it can't violate the fundamentals that it was based on. – r13 Nov 01 '21 at 20:47
  • I was actually checking out the Hooke's Law and its meaning on the internet to refresh my knowledge. Both the relations F=Kx and δ=Eϵ are referred to as Hooke's Law. I navigated myself to this thread where you and others have actually derived the latter from the former. Thats when it clicked me what if the stiffness is changing during the deformation, but we keep on using the δ=Eϵ relation, even in FEM. Maybe there is something missing which I couldn't grab. Anyways, I hope my questions made sense though to you. – Rameez Ul Haq Nov 01 '21 at 20:53
  • For non-linear material or linear elastic material stressed beyond yield, the quote may explain - "In solid mechanics, the tangent modulus is the slope of the stress–strain curve at any specified stress or strain. Below the proportional limit (the limit of the linear elastic regime) the tangent modulus is equivalent to Young's modulus. Above the proportional limit the tangent modulus varies with strain and is most accurately found from test data." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangent_modulus, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young's_modulus – r13 Nov 01 '21 at 21:12
  • A situation where there exists large deformations (i.e. stiffness is changing with the deformation of the structure), the structure might still be below the yield point. This means that F = Kx is a non-linear relation, but the δ=Eϵ (devired from the former) is still a linear relation. Right? – Rameez Ul Haq Nov 01 '21 at 21:20
  • "This means that F = Kx is a non-linear relation,..." You need to show which part contributes to the non-linearity (k = F/x = EA/L). – r13 Nov 01 '21 at 21:44
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    This is a more comprehensive study, wish it can help. https://msestudent.com/elasticity-and-youngs-modulus-theory-examples-and-table-of-values/#:~:text=Specifically%2C%20the%20yield%20point%20is%20where%20the%20stress-strain,have%20an%20easily-identifiable%20point%20on%20the%20stress-strain%20curve. – r13 Nov 01 '21 at 21:51
  • I read the lastest link you shared. So it appears as deriving the Hooke's law for material as like you did and other answer providers did doesn't make any sense, and we should not relate the F=Kx relation to δ=Eϵ relation at all for materials, since these are two different things. As I already mentioned, stiffness (K) can be changing during deformation (due to Moment of inertia and Length) but the δ=Eϵ relation still holds. – Rameez Ul Haq Nov 02 '21 at 09:33
  • In the linear elastic range, the stiffness (EA/L) and the spring constant (k) are constants, they do not change because there is no permanent deformation. Unlike in the plastic range, the deformation incurred in this (elastic) stage will be fully restored. Hope this helps. – r13 Nov 02 '21 at 11:47
  • I think we both are talking about two different things. I am talking about the stiffness change during deformation, during loading. And you are talking about permanent stiffness change. For the case I am talking about i.e. stiffness change during deformation, do you think that δ=Eϵ should still hold? – Rameez Ul Haq Nov 02 '21 at 11:52
  • I know what you were driving but hesitate, or unable, to identify your doubt exactly. The only "change" I can think of is the length, so k_o = EA/L_o changes to k_i = EA/(L_o + δ) in a later time, this can be holding true only if the load causing δ remains in place while another load is placed that produces another deformation δ', but for "small deformation", which the Hookie's Law was based on, this change is too small to be significant, and upon unloading, the system will return to the original state as the length will fully recovery as no change has occurred. – r13 Nov 02 '21 at 12:36
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Hook's law is a first-principled behavior that models the elastic force-distance relationship for axial stretching or compressing of two coupled objects. It is one of the easiest models to use for the behavior of chemical bonds between two atoms or two molecules. It is the common standard to model the behavior of springs. Hook's law can also be extended to the rotating and bending modes of atomic/molecular bonds through suitable translations of coordinate systems or suitable re-definitions of the so-called Hook's law constant.

In reality, chemical bonds between atoms and molecules follow Hook's law only over small perturbations about the equilibrium separation. The more significant deviation from Hook's law generally occurs as a bond is stretched rather than compressed. The extent of the deviation that a chemical bond has from a model parabolic potential well $U = (1/2)k \Delta^2 x$ is associated with the magnitude of the thermal expansion coefficient for the real chemical bond. Or, inversely stated, a chemical bond that followed Hook's law identically until it breaks would have no thermal expansion coefficient.

Hook's law can be extended to macroscopic materials. The required assumption is that force is distributed isotropically in the material. We translate the relationship for transverse force to transverse strain as below where $F$ is force on a bond (N), $k$ is the Hook's law constant (N/m), $\Delta x$ is the deformation (m), $A_o$ is the initial cross-sectional area of the material normal to the applied force (m$^2$), $L_o$ is the initial length of the material (m), $\sigma$ is the normal stress (N/m$^2$ = Pa), $\epsilon$ is the normal strain (m/m), and $E$ is the Young's modulus (Pa).

$$ F = k \Delta x $$

$$\frac{F}{A_o} = \frac{k L_o}{A_o}\ \frac{\Delta x}{L_o} $$

$$ \sigma = E\ \epsilon $$

In summary, when you apply Hook's law to model the force-distance behavior of a bulk material, you are assuming

  • the deformation is small (otherwise Hook's law fails to model the true potential of the chemical bond)
  • the material is isotropic (otherwise the contributions of the bonds depend on the direction that you apply the force)

An additional concern arises to stay in the small deformation limit. Otherwise, the cross-sectional area $A_o$ is affected (through the Poisson's ratio). The distinction is realized through designations of engineering versus true stress.

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  • What if the deformation is large [i.e. stiffness of the structure may change with the deformation]? We shouldn't keep on using the σ=E ϵ relation at all? – Rameez Ul Haq Nov 01 '21 at 21:21
  • @RameezUlHaq My posting states this to cover your case ... "chemical bonds follow Hook's law only over small perturbations ...". Structural stiffness is an inherently different aspect of the problem. It is the example where a trussed bridge is stiffer than its individual members because of cross-bracing. – Jeffrey J Weimer Nov 01 '21 at 22:52